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Lathe Designs/Blueprints?
Hello Everyone!
So over this summer I will have 24/7 access to a full machine shop of tools (milling machines, lathes, grinders, bandsaw, welders, etc), and I thought it would be useful to make some of my own machine tools for the future.
I remember many years ago running across (online) designs, with dimensions and all, for a desktop metalworking lathe made out of stock metal (not cast metal like the Gingery lathe). I have been looking around for quite a while without success to find the designs.
I vaguely remember the designs were relatively old fashion looking (like an old popular science article, but I haven't found it there), the website had many sections for different metalworking projects, mostly garage and farm variety.
Any idea what designs I was looking at? Or does anyone else know where I could get lathe designs for parts machined from stock metal?
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Build Your Own Lathe, Milling Machine and Attachments
It would be far easier to get a job and buy your machine tools. - Plastic
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Haha, I do have a job, and could probably easily buy decent machines, but I thought it would be more fun to make them. Thanks for the site!
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You go for it boy!!
First n1, welcome to the site!Originally Posted by n1personHaha, I do have a job, and could probably easily buy decent machines, but I thought it would be more fun to make them. Thanks for the site!
I fully understand your desire to make your own machines, I commonly build attachments and modest machines that I could find to do the job but am 'sure' I can build it as a better fit for my needs, and love the challenge, certain that I'm saving money but certainly not certain enough to do the math...
There is a well known myth* with a great deal of truth in it, 'you can build anything on a lathe, even another lathe.'
*Noah would have turned it down to build the Ark with.
I'm now very glad that I held off on the more sophisticated projects until I got my first lathe over 50 years ago, a well used but lot's of good life left, Robling (German) 12' engine lathe, still have it.
My first project: a milling attachment for the lathe, took one day if my rosey memory is accurate then look-out! Round stuff, flat stuff with grooves and ridges. With a shop built radius attachment, ball stuff, paired flat stuff with very accurately arrayed holes in it, on the shop built lathe face plate from an old flywheel, (so the gears on the shafts would properly mesh) serrations across stuff and grooves inside of stuff! Stuff that actually fit other stuff I made with my growing Swiss Army do-it-all magical machine! Life was very good.
Because of that serendipity, I've come to realise that the price for a great used machine can often be scrap metal price, even less, which is the best price you'll find for the metal you will build your lathe from but wasting the 50% in scrap during the build process, the final project falling woefully beneath the utility of the $300 dollar lathe you passed up and only the rest of your life left to do the projects that you wanted the lathe for in the first place. Oh yeah, the irreplacable mechanical treasure trove is fast disappearing.
I've since filled my shop with absolutely delicious machines for scrap price and often less and moved straight on to the magical perpetual motion machines that I wanted to build that first lathe for and it had already been proven, millions of times before, so I would have proved nothing but skill, which I'm certain advanced far more rapidly than had I started with hacksaw and file. My moment of epiphany was the ad in the paper for my first lathe, just after I had priced the material to build a truly pathetic version. Allthread lead-screw indeed!
But hey, don't let anyone mess with your dreams, post lot's of build photos and if you want to really impress us, keep a close accounting of your costs, time and show the quality of your finished lathe and what it produces. Dazzle us!
But just remember, that in a tenth of the time and expense, you could have built all those dream machines to higher accuracy, then hidden the original machines you bought for a pittance and just let us all assume that you'd started from scratch, sitting cross-legged with a hammer and chisel, thereby elevating yourself from hero to super hero!
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Look on craigs list, depending on where you are located you can find a working machine for less than the scrap value, last year I bought a 80 year old Star lathe for $300, it's cheaper than the pathetic mico lathes they sell at harbor freight and weighing in at 700 lbs the whole things costs $0.40/lb, I can't buy metal that cheap.
If you want to build your own just because you want to then go for it, I wish you the best of luck! I would be excited to see it, Please post up pictures! - 4GSRTitanium
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To the O.P.,
Far be it from me to discourage you from your ambition to build a lathe; but to build an accurate machine is a task not to be undertaken lightly.
As others have advised you I also would chime in to encourage you to purchase a good quality north American or European lathe. A Japanese lathe also deserves respect.
You can then turn your ambition towards designing and making the tooling and attachments for this lathe. Face plates, chuck backing plates, tap and die holders, rotating centres, milling attachment, dividing head, tool post grinder, collet chuck, etc. etc. the list is practically endless.
If you insist on rolling your own lathe see if you can lay your hands on back issues of Model Engineer Magazine, a British publication now over 100 years in existence. Some years ago (decades???) a fellow described his trials and tribulations in designing, building, and kitting out his lathe with every attachment imaginable!
This would give you a good starting point thus saving you from reinventing the wheel. As I recall no castings were required to build this gem.
Model Engineer's index is available on-line for your searching pleasure.
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Thanks for all the advice! I'll be sure to post pictures once I am done!
I am planning on making this little guy (Build a Homemade Mini Lathe), I don't expect the cost of materials will be very much (and there is a lot of scrap I will be allowed to use for free).
I have machined various things in the past (mostly model engines), and it would be nice to have a little thing like that at home to do work with, and I hope it will be a fun project. - Robert Campbell Jr.Diamond
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Good luck! A modest endeavor, not subject to many of my prophesied pitfalls.
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n1p,
Google on Bill Huxhold and have a look at his fully functional scale model Hardinge toolroom lathe. Also such stuff as dividing head, etc. to say nothing of his model steam engines!
He used no purpose-made castings, used meehanite bar as warranted.
Bill is a member of the Toronto Society of Model Engineers where I got to know him.
His work is truly inspirational.
Just had a look at the website you referred to; what do you expect to make on your completed project lathe?
ArminiusLast edited by Armenius; 04-11-2011 at 06:09 PM. Reason: added thought
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A full featured 17' engine lathe capable of passing the usual test sheet inspection would probably take an experienced machinist about a year of full time to design and build it. There are many possible short cuts, purchased change gears, farming out the heat treating and precision grinding, spindle transmission gearing, etc, naturally there will be time savings.
If your sights can be lowered a bit, electronics can be inegrated into the design to take the place of geared feed and screwcutting functions you can save time there too. You can make a machine of fabrications, bolt on linear bearings, etc. but it will be somewhat clumsier than a factory engineered and biult machine tool. You will almost have to live with your prototype warts and all whereas machine tool makers have years of design improvements leading to a highly evolved and optimized machine.
My point is if you build your own lathe as an intellectual exerrcise do so and be proud of your successes. If you desire a workable machine tool you can use for the coming years, you may be disappointed.
I don't want to squelch your enthusiasm but examine the future carefully and tune your efforts to attainable goals. I've heard it said that one hour of engineering refinement reduces prototype manufacture by ten hours. Keep your peicil sharp.
Good luck. Research will be your biggest resource. Understanding your limitations and moderate amounts of practical humility combine to make the second. - Plastic
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Did you manage to complete your lathe build?
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Good god, ZOMBIE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No he never did, and hes another day dreaming deadbeat in the long........very long list of people who say 'I'l build it myself'.
The first sign somethings never EVER going to get built is when they're looking for free plans on the net. - Diamond
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i have built the gingery style lathe. to be honest after 10 years i replaced it with a USA made hobby lathe and mill with cnc abilities.
.... a well designed machine is smaller more compact and usually can do more and in the long run after all the little costs were added up and the time wasted making a one of a kind machine the purchased machine is cheaper. i would suggest buying a cnc mill and lathe and taking some night school cnc courses and at least the experience might help you get a job as a cnc machinist.
.... not many jobs for somebody making home made lathes and mills. the current job i have now is in professionally machining large castings often weighing over a ton on a large cnc mill to be used in making professional cnc gear making machines. i got the job after i took cnc courses at night at a local college and was laid off from a job i had for over 32 years when the old company closed the building down. i highly recommend taking night school courses. - Titanium
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I'm with you there!Originally Posted by hickstick_10Good god, ZOMBIE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No he never did, and hes another day dreaming deadbeat in the long........very long list of people who say 'I'l build it myself'.
The first sign somethings never EVER going to get built is when they're looking for free plans on the net.
I read the book 'Building a Small Lathe' by L.C. Mason, many years ago, and it was worth the time to read.
It made much more sense to go through the trouble if the equal or better machines were not available for paupers wages equivalent these days.
Worth reading the book, learned a few things from it, but would I do it or suggest to anyone that it was a good idea, nope!
Cheers
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ME Volume 52, issue 1244 page 243 looks like it might be the start of the article series 'Building a Light and Inexpensive Lathe and Stand'Originally Posted by ArmeniusTo the O.P.,
Far be it from me to discourage you from your ambition to build a lathe; but to build an accurate machine is a task not to be undertaken lightly.
As others have advised you I also would chime in to encourage you to purchase a good quality north American or European lathe. A Japanese lathe also deserves respect.
You can then turn your ambition towards designing and making the tooling and attachments for this lathe. Face plates, chuck backing plates, tap and die holders, rotating centres, milling attachment, dividing head, tool post grinder, collet chuck, etc. etc. the list is practically endless.
If you insist on rolling your own lathe see if you can lay your hands on back issues of Model Engineer Magazine, a British publication now over 100 years in existence. Some years ago (decades???) a fellow described his trials and tribulations in designing, building, and kitting out his lathe with every attachment imaginable!
This would give you a good starting point thus saving you from reinventing the wheel. As I recall no castings were required to build this gem.
Model Engineer's index is available on-line for your searching pleasure.
Arminius
This is the 1923 to 1949 period.
Didn't realise this was an old thread. Ho hum!
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http://concretelathe.wikispaces.com/..51_en+3.22.pdf Pat Delaney, who was trying to come up with a method to build machine tools in developing countries, rediscovered the process and adapted it so it could be used to build The Multimachine, a 12' Swing, Metal Lathe/Mill/Drill for about $150.
You want to cast your own pieces. David Gringery, Creating a Charcoal Foundry. Good luck. Post pictures. Ciao. - Plastic
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The current Model Engineers Workshop magazine is showing the detail construction of my Stepperhead lathe which can be built with or without the electronics. Here is a description Page Title.
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My apologies for dredging up an old thread.
Jackary..thanks for that link!
Regards,
-Vern
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